5 Dating Stages ALL Men Go ThroughI focus better. I spend more time with friends. Having a man around is a serious drain on my time and energy. I need them around and I value them above almost everything else. I spend more time on myself. I work towards my goals.
I may never have another romantic relationship during my life, but I could always come here and know I was not alone in what I was going through. When I was in the Navy, and we visited Cannes, France, I had the most incredible dessert for dinner one evening at a really nice restaurant.
Now, had I insisted that I would never eat another dessert but that one, I would have missed out on some really good desserts. Of course they indicated this was true. So he asked men to stand up if they were a good man. Most of the men stood up. I think most men feel that way. If they are a good man it never seems to be good enough, so they give up and go find a woman who appreciates who they are not what some woman wants him to be.
The ugly truth? Hey, Teresa. I dunno if this will make any sense to you, but what if, instead of reading that list as things that are wrong with single people that they must work on before getting into a committed relationship; what if you think of it as a list of things that are within your control?
And then there is stuff you have the power to work on. Why not work on those things? Then it became obvious. Intent should be unconditional love until proven otherwise.
That is a lovely letter it almost makes me want to cry imagining that someone is writing that to me. Right show up. I cried when I read this then I sent it to my boyfriend and he said he cried. We both took awhile finding each other but we did. The waiting sucks but once the wait is over it feels like it never even mattered.
Good luck. Husband cheated for months within days of our marriage beginning, so I had to leave. Marriage absolutely is conditional but the conditions were laid out before the wedding day, not in front of everyone you know. Sadly, there really has to be a cut off age. I hit 30, the fact I am dating rather than in a happy family is just pathetic. I know it. There are too many specifics. I opened this hoping for a magical cut off age.
Not more blather about hope that dwindled off long ago. Is it 30? Many people wind up alone. Why drink the kool aid, especially as a woman?
That was a beautifully written letter to be sure. You can die of old age being patient! That letter really resonated with me. I love that letter, it is sooo true, I wonder if many people even realize how they block themselves from love by their own behaviors??
Yep, I do have a list but I feel the things on it are things that are part of the job description of Adulthood Be financially responsible; have good hygiene; take responsibility for your own health and fitness; have a strong work ethic; be free of addictions; do not have a criminal record; do not be married or otherwise attached; care about the environment and social justice.
These are all points that I live up to myself. I have given these dudes a chance at times and it was a disaster; the last instance resulted in my being stalked.
Apart from trying to meet guys at the local race series generally better educated and fitI have given up and am seeing what other realistic options are. This includes putting serious money into up-classing my house in the hopes that the housing market will improve and checking out the feasibility of leaving at 55, either going back home rural but with a small progressive community or finding a rural, progressive town elsewhere.
I will have to throw away my career as older senior level academics have few new options. Thats why I think they have no desire to change or become better. As one american guy told me…why should i try and work hard to get a woman, when i get sex at any bar. He also told me that american females are desperate for relationships, and will have sex with you, just so you stay his words, not mine. Because even if you, u will be unhappy. Thanks, Dina.
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Yep, most of this towns problem children are that way because there has been no incentive to change. Alcoholism and drug use were very much a part of the culture here in the 70s and that never changed.
They can hit up a down and out chick at a bar with little effort. As someone whose real home is darned near Canada, I too kinda come from a different culture plus I am traditional Native.Maybe It's Time to Stop Dating & Give Up... // Amy Young
Back home, there of course was poverty, drugs, alcoholism, despair but there was also the understanding that you, man or woman, fix your issues, lift yourself up, have a work ethic and hold yourself in dignity. A bizarre situation; I am only here in the west because my life was threatened because I did very controversial research back home and had to take a job elsewhere.
Now I find myself in a place where I am not even allowed to speak the truth of why I am here and am, like our other posters have made clear, am despised for doing what was right, lifting myself up beyond my origins.
It is bizarre that it is thought that I should settle for someone whose values do not mesh or worse and that one would be happy under such a situation. Yep, it sucks to be so alone, to be judged unfairly because of where one lives. Tis not just me and my snobbery. I have actually stuck it out far longer than most women do. Trying to find do able options; the next few years are gonna prove interesting. As a single male, I want nothing to do with this letter writer.
To me it is insulting, and I want no part of her. She also is presuming that the men that she has been rejecting the last 10 years still want her now that she is 10 years older. Many times women in her position do not realize that they are much less desirable to the men that pursued them years before. Plenty of men — young and old, poor and rich, handsome and not — over estimate their value to women, as well. I totally agree. I think karma catches up even to the prettiest ones.
I know this hot girl that kept friendzoning me everytime I asked her out years ago. Last time I crossed her she was not as graceful.
I barely talked and cut the conversation short, she gazed at me with surprize before going my way. I felt free as I walked away because I stopped the nonsense, and felt sad that she chose that path for us.
No way. It is a bitter sweet. You and women in your same or similar position have lists that make it impossible to find love, or near impossible. Less men get post graduate degrees. Requiring that in a man puts you on the wrong side of equal chances at finding love. Then the fact is, while you want a man to meet your level of expectations, many if not most of those men do not require women to meet those standards to enter into a relationship with them.
The truth is, I believe that in some ways men are less judgmental. Oh sure they are more judgmental on some things, but not as much as people try to say. But with looks, like it or not, we all go for the best we can get, and will slide up or down the scale a bit depending on other factors. A man will not marry a perfect 10 who has a horrible personality when he has a 8 or 9 with a beautiful personality. Men are looking for a combination of things also, just like women…they are just different than what women are looking for.
But I think this is key, and if you want to find love, I think you are going to be more like men in this one key area. And you let slip something that is forever going to be an anchor, keeping you from finding love.
It is almost very likely that your perfect match, a man that can make you feel like getting out of bed every day and facing it with energy, is going to be making significantly less than you.
I think women in your position have an attitude about people that makes it impossible for you to respect men that have not met or exceeded your expectations. You need a man that compliments you, and if he does, he deserves your utmost respect, because in areas that you are weak, he is strong.
See, while you are looking for your mirror image, men are looking for somebody that compliments them. Completes them, if you will. Try this…have a friend put her hands together like a person prays. Palms together and fingers against each other in a mirror like fashion. Now, you grab her wrists and try to pull her hands apart while she tries to resist.
Unless you are very weak and she is very strong, you should be able to do this easily. The idea is t make the hands completely separate, but not necessarily keep them permanently apart. Next, have her interlace her fingers so that the palms are together and the fingers are clasping the back of the opposite hand.
You've had enough. You've loved. You've lost. You have no desire to go through it again. You are ready to go on permanent guy-atus. Then you read this letter. Every time I think I'm tired of being single and it's time to start dating again, I'm reminded all too soon of how much looking for the right man sucks. Dating is a. Tired of bad first dates and failed relationships? Do you sometimes feel like you want to give up on dating? Before you do, read this!.
Like a child would do when they clasp their hands together and plea to have their way at something. Some people also put their hands together like this to pray. OK, not try to repeat what you did by pulling on her wrists.
Unless you are very strong and she is extremely weak, you should not be able to pull her hands apart. The ties are stronger. But first, you have to learn to be less of a snob, and learn to appreciate those who are different than you, and learn to see them as different, not inferior. The first step is going to be to admit that you are a snob. Try this. See how it sounds to you after you do that.
Which item on the list should she give up? Should she date criminals, drug addicts, men with poor hygiene or married men? I would never advise a man to date a woman with poor hygiene, addictions or a criminal past.
Emerald My marriage ended because I have to take a job out west in order to support myself. Like I stated in an earlier comment, my life and that of my spouse by extension, was being threatenedmy research findings cost folks in power in the area serious money. Neither of us wanted it to happen and we remain friends to this day. As an accomplished man, it was easy for him to find someone, not so for me, his female counterpart.
A lot of the reason I really do feel like giving up is I do know what a good rship is thus it is very difficult if not impossible to accept one that is not.
To try and force oneself to be with someone whom you cannot have conversation with, be attracted to, who has serious personal issues is horribly unfair to both parties. Her list goes far beyond what you list.
But let me touch on one that is on the list and show how while it sounds reasonable, it is not. Criminal history. I have a friend who was married to a very selfish woman.
They also had a daughter together which is the only real reason he stayed with her. To do this however, she had to have certain things happen.
So she had to get a reason to get the court to authorize it. So here in Florida you get a lot of false accusations being made. OK, so what she did was ask for a separation, and the filed for a restraining order. If he fought it, it would be over.
Then she starts meeting him on the sly. She calls him and lets him call her. There is a food court near where she works, so she would tell him to stop in where she works and let her know he was there and then wait in the food court. Long story short, she was building a case against him of violating the restraining order.
It went to court and he got 6 months in jail. Long story. OK, now, thanks to the internet, this guy will likely never find a quality woman willing to date him, let alone marry him. This guy is a great guy. Actually a very gentle guy.
His ex, when I asked her admitted to me that he had never laid a hand on her, that she was not an abused woman. You think any woman who does a back ground check will believe that he is a gentle guy?
He is not financially stable…not in the way woman like Noquay want. He is rebuilding. He is going in a totally different direction. On my advice, he is back in school. Will he ever get a post graduate degree? Not likely. I get the strong feeling that Noquay is a strong Liberal. Most men are not. Most men are conservative, even most accomplished men. I know a man who is a Ph. D and votes straight GOP but hides that fact in his job. Then there are guys who simply work in very dirty jobs.
Some might if their wives took them to get one. I would not date a woman who is an alcoholic or drug addict. However, if I found out that 20 years ago, she had been, but she walked away from that life without regret, then I could overlook that. Strong work ethic. Define that. See, what is a strong work ethic for one person may be workaholic for another.
However, I met a guy once who started his own insurance business. He is very driven. While he worked in another office, he saved as much money as he could, and also bought all of the furniture he would need for an office and stored it in his apartment, stacked in their boxes.
He also bought all of the supplies he would need. Once he had enough money saved for two years worth of bills, gas and food, he opened his own office. This was a very good looking guy. He was a workaholic, which got him to where he wanted to be.
But these women wanted more time with him. Time he could not give. She should not settle. I liken it to a man who married a woman with the looks of a playboy playmate of the year, cooked like Martha Stewart, is very kind, patient, loving, affectionate, etc… If he loses her, he should hold out for another just like her.
I would actually feel sorry for the woman he married who is not up to the standards of the previous one. I do not wish ill will on anyone, and I wish everyone could find their perfect match. If I could wave a magic wand and make that happen for everybody, tomorrow when we wake up, every woman would look like a playboy playmate and ever man would be a Ph.
D making 6 figures. It is extremely likely that she will end up alone for the rest of her life. That is not necessarily a bad thing. Again, I agree that we should not settle for things that would make us unhappy. What he and most coaches seem to do is two things…help you identify where you are doing things that cause others to see you as a not so good catch, and then also teach you to expand your available choices by identify areas where you are being too picky about things that should not matter so much.
For instance, the guy in my example above might learn to appreciate women who are not playboy playmate good looking. He wants it again. So it is what it is.
Noquay has an idea of what would make a good fit for her. The problem for her is that these guys are extremely rare. So already he has his pick of women like her.
Is it just us, or do most of the dating advice articles, podcasts and inspirational Instagram accounts just seem so generic after a while? We've. I almost gave up on love because I started to think that maybe it just wasn't I read a recent article in which Leslie Jones stated that dating was. Maybe 1 ISN'T the loneliest number. The first whisper reads, "I gave up on dating and men all together. Just date myself".
These men are often more than willing to marry a woman who only has a high school education. They feel that those men should be sticking to women like her…women who have earned their place with him. But men have always seen it differently, and always will. So the obvious is that Noquay has stacked the odds against herself. I do applaud that she is here seeking to improve her odds.
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If a man has a dirty job, he should go home and clean up before a date. Clean up before going out. SE you miss the point.
I said, that list was not her entire list. The fact is that she had it all. She had the guy with the Ph. You also seem to be twisting things. I never said everything on that list is unreasonable. Financially stable?
I understand that women are much much more materialistic so this is more important to them. However, I am in school.
I recommend setting the limit on self pity at 10, 15min tops, per day. Any more dedication then that and you are working on a self fufilling. Whether it's an introduction from a friend, a dating website or a happenstance meeting in a coffee shop the more you know about yourself the. To the single woman who has completely given up on dating and relationships, but still has the desire for a partner: I want to tell you something. I may not be in.
I do not make a lot of money right now. I have more than enough to meet my needs. I am not homeless. My attitude? Good riddance.
My thoughts on the criminal record thing is valid. That one anecdote is one of many, and I am sure my experience with people is not unique. My uncle was the get-away drive in a failed bank robbery.
He crashed in the attempted getaway and spent time in a hospital, and then some prison time. That was a long time ago. But the point is that after that, he woke up.
Stopped thinking like an idiot kid and had a totally different outlook. He built a very very nice home with his own hands out in the country where he lives with his wife of 40 years, and where he raised four kids, and where he now spends time with his grand kids. In short, he is a good man. A good man my aunt would have missed out on had she put any emphasis at all on what he did before he met her.
Now, I can agree that not all criminal records should be overlooked. It is information to take on board an assess, but just having a record should not be a deal breaker.
I would want to examine what was on the record, and compare that to what I saw in her. In short, I would be trying to figure out if her experience changed her for the better, or did she learn nothing. Also, how long is the record? Is it a long record or just a couple of incidents from her past, or one recent incident? And what is social justice? Imagine that…you try to help people and they steal from you. But they screw it up. Just 2 to 3 days a week.
Not enough to support him, his wife and daughter. Just 2 to 3 days a week would have given him enough along with his fast food job. But he refused. Wanted us to keep helping him make the rent payment on the place we helped him get into. Another guy walked in and did have good job skills. He was a tree surgeon. Big business here in Florida. We got him a job. He showed up two hours late and drunk. Another guy we got a job working driving a cab.
He liked it at first but then when he found out how this was going to affect his rent, he stopped. See, he was living in a place that rents rooms to single men and is based on income. Yes, twenty five dollars a month. But with the money he would start making driving a cab, that was going to go up significantly. Those are the options, and the latter is going to happen more frequently. It might even happen every time. I know a lot of adults who never had lasting relationships.
I never fight with anyone. This is the literal truth. When I do not have a boyfriend, I do not have fights. I rarely cry. I only cry at sad movies or if someone in my life is going through a tough time. I grew up with a mother who had unpredictable moods and I always had to adjust to suit them.
I hate drama and I crave simplicity and truth. It seems like relationships always do this to some extent. I feel strong, confident, and alive. I love that I can be so empowered and happy without a man in my life. I never want to be co-dependent on anyone ever again. If that means I stay single a long time, so be it. Until I can figure out how to be as satisfied in a relationship as I am without one, I will refrain from dating. Amy Horton A former actress who has always loved the art of the written word, Amy is excited to be here sharing her stories!
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